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intonation is boring and monotone

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anything like that constructive feedback

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i may i may not always handle it as well

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and just hopefully you guys can put up

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with me going through this i'm just

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and end of this will probably take two

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run out of batteries because i do not

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and patreon is just patreon.com ufo joe

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you know slash ufo joe and then

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venmo people have started to use which i

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a fee as far as i can tell i have no

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idea how they make how i

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disclosure edition

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guys i'm having a little fun here so

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panel don't get offended because i also

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i also do a little bit of impersonation

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uh try to try to make it like you were

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there which i cannot do

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but i'll do my best

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so we got richard dolan playing the role

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of greg brady

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play mike brady the dad you know he's

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our he's our father figure in disclosure

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really figured out where ralph uh

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edition you got adam who's bobby brady

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danny sheehan who i believe is sam the

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conference this was the last day

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extraordinary nature of what's happening

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and danny says i wanted to have marshall

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summers here

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so as to put the issue to us

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the occupants of the ufos or the

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intelligences represent you know

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save humanity and help us evolve to the

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fourth dimension or whatever you know

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all positive and we need to make contact

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marshall there was a lot a lot going on

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people running around here with their

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hair on fire going wait a second wait a

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second what about the allies

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what about the allies that we've made

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what about the good guys that are out

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there that are kind of communicating

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with us communicating with us

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marshall's talk was about the not so

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good guys the ones who are here for

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selfish re selfish reasons

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that's related to marshall's channeling

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the intervention force which we'll get

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so yeah people were freaking out and so

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danny wanted him to come onto the panel

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and explore more of his

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information related to the so-called

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allies of humanity

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he and danny also asked adam to come on

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curry has done research related to

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princeton he has his own laboratory you

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know stuff about telepathic

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communication extraordinary anomalous

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capabilities that people seem to have

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that do generate some realistic

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probability that human beings

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are capable of receiving telepathic

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marshall didn't get into in the

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discussion his discussion today okay so

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he stopped early uh

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how he gets the information

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beings actually and this is me saying

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allegedly i can't say that enough

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because people get upset

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and assume i'm buying into the

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information just because i

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something that resonates with me it does

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back to danny so these beings are

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who are communicating their desire and

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helpful to us in light of the sort of

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non-intervention protocols that marshall

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understands exist within our galaxy

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well the good guys according to what i

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about the allies of humanity

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the reason they're not helping us or

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making contact is not because of

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non-intervention it's because our

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species is just too immature and we're

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not prepared for contact

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but we'll get to that later more with

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about one side the selfish group or

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in the galaxy that are engaged in sort

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of a commercial view of our planet as a

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source of resources

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and they have one whole kind of agenda

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they're evil

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they're just using the earth and us for

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we'll get to that later

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there is in fact another group of beings

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in our galaxy who are here trying to

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suggest to us that we be careful at this

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extraordinarily important stage in our

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human development to be cautious in our

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to any types of offers to help reaching

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a threat of any kind

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the threat may be something quite

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different than a military threat

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how would marshall knew know anything

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like that

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marshall would indicate that he has and

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he's been careful about a careful about

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this i noticed that during his

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participation so far that he has not

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really directly communicated to

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everybody that this is telepathic

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this group of allies for humanity

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sound like i'm running on

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and some of the sentences don't come to

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a conclusion

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i'm pretty sure this is like 99 accurate

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nothing against danny that's just how he

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talks and sometimes he runs on he gets a

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run-on sentence going and then he jumps

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into something completely different so

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what i wanted to do is i wanted to have

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all of us come together you know richard

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investigative journalists ralph

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blumenthal with us

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you know and ralph could help ask

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what kind of questions ralph i know you

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i could just see that kind of an

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interview and danny laughs if you hear

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me laughing like that that's because the

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person talked was laughing

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so ralph what are your questions going

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to be

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but

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what i would like to know is what kind

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of questions known who the people are

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that are gathered here including adam

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curry who has done research at princeton

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and princeton it was the pear laboratory

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princeton engineering anomalies research

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laboratory

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so adam has done work there uh about

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related to these potential extras extra

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special or extra sensory capacities that

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our human human family has

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which marshall is alluding to because

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marshall is using

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allegedly channeling which is receiving

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so

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and i think he's talking to ralph here

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he goes why don't you ask some questions

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um

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like if you if you've gotten this golden

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opportunity to have this interview of

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these people that are here with us today

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and he's not talking about aliens he's

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talking about the panel how are you

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going to advance your understanding

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of this

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and ralph says with his

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new york accent he's like danny

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i gotta say this it's hard enough to get

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a serious organization like the new york

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times to pay attention to the fact that

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the uap report for the first time

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acknowledged that these objects

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physically exist i mean

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that in itself is a breakthrough

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to go on and talk about communications

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from extraterrestrials or or so is

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is a huge leap forward that is very very

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difficult to make in the mainstream

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media danny says it is

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and ralph continues

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i just want to say that my talk today

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was about

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how it's so important to stick to things

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that we can verify on the record sources

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things we can confirm

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and then later on you know

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not later on he goes

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when you get into claims that the united

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states is working with extraterrestrials

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on the dark side of the moon

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that turns a lot of people off and it's

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just it's just impossible to verify

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so what i'm saying is that you know

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we investigative reporters in mainstream

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media are facing great obstacles in

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establish establishing even the most

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basic elements of the whole

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ufo uap experience

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so we have to be extremely cautious

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and conservative in what claims

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we put we put forward

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and danny says i agree

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and ralph says that's where i'm coming

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and danny continues

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i agree you know

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but

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i think you will acknowledge if we have

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to wait for that

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for the new york times to put it on the

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front page let me stop one second i

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unders i agree with just rewind a little

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bit i agree with i agree with what ralph

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is saying

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but danny follows up perfectly and he

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says

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you know if we wait for the new york

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times to put it on the front page we're

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going to be a little bit behind the

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power curve on this issue of course

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you know yeah it's great the new york

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times and washington post and other

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mainstream outlets

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hopefully they keep covering this but

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obviously we're not expecting them to

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report on

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marshall summers you know channeling

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information from alleged

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extraterrestrials who are the allies of

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humanity so i don't know why ralph even

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needed to say that i mean

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but anyway i think he wanted to make

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sure he didn't think you know people

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didn't think he was buying into this

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what what marshall was

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you know sharing just because ralph was

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part of the panel i'm not even sure

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ralph knew

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that marshall summers would be part of

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the panel when he agreed

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to do it

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so

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danny's like i'm approaching you

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in terms of being a journalist ralph you

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know you've done the book about john

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mack

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exploring what an extraordinary set of

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data it was that was coming in here

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there are other sources from richard

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you know

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richard and he goes on to richard he

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goes richard and all the time you spent

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on this richard dolan he's asking

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what is it that convinces you that there

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is another dimension to this story that

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has to do with actually not just the

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mechanics

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of these vehicles and whether they're

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solid objects which we've finally gotten

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the defense department to acknowledge

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but how much further do you think and

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now he goes in the middle of a question

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to dolan he switches

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to

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ralph without completing his first

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question to dolan so that's the kind of

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stuff i'm talking about and he says

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ralph how much farther do you think you

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as a journalist might be able to go by

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interviewing a person like richard dolan

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to share to share more

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to share more data with you

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that he has that might be worthy of your

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journalistic integrity even if the new

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york times isn't quite yet ready to

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publish that

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what kind of information well let me do

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it the other way around richard what

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type of information do you think that

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you have

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that has convinced you as an objective

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historian and researcher

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that might be shared with ralph

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that would start to give ralph an

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additional amount of information or data

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that might be helpful

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and mr dolan says

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that's very easy

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you start with the classified literature

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that we have had for decades

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that describe

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military encounters with objects that

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are simply not supposed to exist

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you know you don't start in 2004

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which is all we ever hear about

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it's as if the ufo phenomenon started in

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2004 and you know i understand it's

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important to keep the discussion

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restricted to certain facts but the

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reality is by ignoring the 1990s 1980s

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going back to the 1940s and even

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forgetting the earlier periods by

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ignoring those earlier sightings and

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ignoring the dramatic memos classified

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memos that we have

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through foia that we've had since the

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1970s that prove they don't hint they

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don't suggest

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but they prove that the us government

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has been deeply concerned

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to the point of almost panic about these

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objects

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you know like to me that's a story that

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the mainstream media

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has really not covered

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certainly not the new york times

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and i know ralph would be interested i

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mean

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ralph i've listened to you

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but the fact is

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that's where we need to go we need to

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establish the historical reality of the

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united states

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governments but let's start with the us

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because

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this has been going on i mean you got

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january 1949 memo by the fbi detailing

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airspace incursions over white sands and

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over los alamos

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you know objects were tracked with

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instrumentation traveling in upwards of

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nine thousand miles per hour

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1949

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that's tic tac ufo territory right there

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and there's quite a few of these

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documents types of documents that we

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have

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so i would say

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start with that

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and ralph says

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you know i agree with you richard that a

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lot of it hinges on documentation

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government documentation

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which is why we put so much stock in

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lew's group a tip

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and why the story was printed by the new

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york times our first story first the

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story

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we had lou we had his documentation we

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had his letter of resignation we had his

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quotes there were no anonymous sources

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so with proper authentication

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and proper sourcing yes these stories

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can get into the paper

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one of the problems richard

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as you recognize

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with the documents is there's been so

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much controversy over authenticity of

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documents and so much disinformation in

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documents

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we were dealing with a document at the

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new york times that we were convinced

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and i'm not going to say

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what it was

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but we were convinced it was authentic

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and we ended up

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concluding it was at least partially

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authentic

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it had to do with crash retrievals

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but then we were told that it may not be

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totally authentic

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so there's been a lot of tampering with

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official documents

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there's been so much shadowy government

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activity in this field disinformation

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that it's almost impossible and then

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dolan says

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there is that and then i write and i

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link to it i believe ralph is referring

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to the 1961 mj12 sn

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ie

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which is

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the special national intelligence

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estimate which i wrote about in my

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wilson davis mega blog and then i had a

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separate blog on that so check that out

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that might be the article that is

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partially authentic

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because it has to do with crash

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retrievals and the soviet union and the

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united states and how we would react if

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something came down

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and

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we wanted to make sure that the soviets

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you know we didn't think

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if it came into our country and crashed

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you know we didn't want to think it was

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the soviets so

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and the soviets if it happened to them

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they didn't want to think it was us you

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know because if that happened we might

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think they were attacking or they

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thought we were attacking

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you know and it could start a nuclear

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war and just destroy the planet that's

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what the document talks about so yeah i

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linked to it and you can read it and

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like i think that's what ralph is

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referring to it's not wilson davis i'm

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very confident because that's not a

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government document and ralph says it

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i think he says government he said

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he says official documents you know

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there's been a lot of tampering with

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official documents wilson davis is not

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an official document it's just a set of

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notes so yeah unless the new york times

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was working on another document that i'm

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unaware of i know they were working on

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the 1961 document

574
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,470
so ralph

575
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,280
continues he's like you know

576
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,440
that's why

577
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,880
we relied

578
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,880
so much on lou and his organization

579
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,720
because

580
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,919
at least that was something we could

581
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,280
latch onto

582
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,520
to say that the government an official

583
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:02,159
government organization says this this

584
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,600
and this

585
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,400
and suddenly we were on easy ground in

586
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,919
terms of getting the new york times to

587
00:22:12,070 --> 00:22:09,600
pay attention and so that's the

588
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,080
challenge we face face and it's always

589
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:13,919
easier when the government acknowledges

590
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,880
something

591
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,280
at least we know who's standing behind

592
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,760
it who's saying what and it's much

593
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:21,760
easier than taking a video for example

594
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,919
from some citizen who says hey look

595
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:25,919
here's a video of a ufo i filmed outside

596
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,720
the dc train station here it is you know

597
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,080
and ralph's like i don't know what to

598
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:32,240
make of that it looks good it looks

599
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:33,280
interesting

600
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,640
and i agree with that it's very

601
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,440
difficult with citizen ufos to say much

602
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,960
of anything about them because you don't

603
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,520
know you don't know details usually

604
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,679
that's why i love the three videos the

605
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,000
government uap ufo videos even though

606
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,919
they're not spectacular

607
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,760
you know we want to see the spectacular

608
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,840
ones but at least they were official you

609
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,840
know shot from f-18s and the flear

610
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,679
cameras

611
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:57,120
and ralph's like you know somebody gives

612
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,559
me a video i don't know what to make of

613
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:59,600
it so

614
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:01,120
he goes but if the government were to

615
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,240
release that

616
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,559
like the three navy videos

617
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,120
you know that drew unprecedented

618
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,200
attention for the new york times and

619
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,360
suddenly it makes news i mean

620
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,600
lou is the key to this in many ways it

621
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:14,960
seems to me

622
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:17,280
because or certainly lose position in

623
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,480
the government

624
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,400
because he can bring to it a certain

625
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:22,400
authority that makes it easier

626
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,159
for the mainstream media to pick up

627
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,120
and mr dolan says

628
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,559
i just want to add

629
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,400
absolutely

630
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,480
lou is critical and i agree with you the

631
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,559
documents that i referred to are all a

632
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,720
hundred percent authenticated by the us

633
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,400
government they've come out of college

634
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:42,480
park maryland the national archives all

635
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,520
of them

636
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,480
the ones that i work with are 100 legit

637
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:48,080
out of the archives

638
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,919
there's quite a lot there are thousands

639
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,240
in fact go to the black vault john

640
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,799
greenwald runs that he does a great job

641
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,760
so no

642
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,279
there's quite a bit of us government

643
00:24:00,909 --> 00:23:59,039
documentary authentication of

644
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,919
long-standing essentially the

645
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,440
impossibilities being noted by military

646
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,679
personnel in the sky sometimes in the

647
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:06,720
oceans

648
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,080
and we've got them got the documents

649
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,760
and they get released and they fall into

650
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,760
the black hole of the american memory

651
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:15,919
and no one ever talks about them but

652
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:17,200
they do exist

653
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,039
and they are part of our history

654
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,039
and we go back to mr danny sheen who

655
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,630
how much farther do you think

656
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,720
a really sound responsible journalist

657
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,600
can go based upon those documents that

658
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,159
have been recovered for example

659
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,400
a report from project sign back in the

660
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,679
40s

661
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:41,120
and

662
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,039
you tell ralph richard if he doesn't

663
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,400
already know what that report concluded

664
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:48,720
and and we're talking about the estimate

665
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,600
of the situation

666
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,520
so richard says

667
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,679
the estimate of the situation does not

668
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,799
exist no one has seen he's like

669
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,200
some people have seen it but

670
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:03,679
no one has produced it

671
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,960
air force captain edward rupelt who ran

672
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,799
project blue book

673
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,640
he wrote that he knew about that

674
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,760
document

675
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,520
dewey fournette who was a colleague of

676
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,080
his in the us air force

677
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,840
testified that he had seen it and read

678
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,960
it that was an affidavit so there are

679
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,440
people there's no reason to deny it but

680
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,279
no one has seen it

681
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,360
aside from that

682
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:29,360
though there are actually quite a few

683
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:32,080
very excellent declassified u.s military

684
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,200
reports

685
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,240
well

686
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,919
and i went over some of those in my

687
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,480
lecture earlier today

688
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,080
i just like running through them because

689
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,919
i think people should remember them so

690
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,760
it's quite a fit

691
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,159
there's no single us released document

692
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:50,400
that says ah yes

693
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:52,159
ufos are it

694
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,200
sorry

695
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,159
there's no single us released document

696
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,240
that says ah yes

697
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,799
ufos are aliens

698
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,880
so there's none that say that

699
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,360
but if you take the top 10

700
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:07,039
or top 20

701
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,240
they do

702
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:09,520
prove

703
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,440
that while the united states was telling

704
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:13,600
the public there's no such thing as as

705
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:17,360
ufos or no genuine ones in the 40s and

706
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:18,559
50s

707
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:21,039
they were seriously concerned about it

708
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,400
and there's enough data in those

709
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,559
documents to show extraordinary

710
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,720
performance capabilities on a number of

711
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:28,240
occasions

712
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,120
so the top 10 or 20 of those documents

713
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:33,279
absolutely prove that there was a cover

714
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,799
up on ufos

715
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,799
and formal government lying to the

716
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,880
public and that's a good place to start

717
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:40,720
you know we don't have to solve

718
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,000
is it aliens or not right away

719
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:46,799
i think step one for public conversation

720
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,120
is just to recognize this is a real

721
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,520
phenomenon and let's figure it out from

722
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:56,789
and danny and this will be a theme for

723
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:00,320
the next few exchanges

724
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:06,710
if

725
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:09,440
rupelt said that the estimate of the

726
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,120
situation i'll just call it the estimate

727
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,559
from now on

728
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,799
if he said that does exist from project

729
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,760
sign

730
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:17,760
and his assistant or deputy said he's

731
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:18,840
seen it and read

732
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,399
it did they say that in an affidavit and

733
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,880
dolan just said that but

734
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:26,640
did they say that in an affidavit what

735
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,080
the conclusion was of that report

736
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,480
and mr dolan says

737
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,399
oh yes yes absolutely

738
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,600
the conclusion was that this sign team

739
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,080
this all started in the summer of 1948

740
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,799
with a dramatic ufo sighting and they

741
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,399
had been working on this all through

742
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,720
1948 and they put together a report

743
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,200
which ended up on the desk of air force

744
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:51,039
chief of staff

745
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,880
hoyt vandenberg

746
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,039
and that report according to rupelt

747
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,000
according to forney stated that sign had

748
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,840
concluded this is probably

749
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,279
extraterrestrial because they asked the

750
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,440
same questions we asked

751
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,399
is it us is it russian or something

752
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,520
beyond it's amazing 1948

753
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,799
asking the same

754
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,799
same exact questions we're asking today

755
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,799
although

756
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,200
most of the people agree this is

757
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,679
probably not russia or china some people

758
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,000
insist that it is

759
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,640
i am confident they will realize

760
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,120
within the near future

761
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:32,159
that it's not it's not russia it's not

762
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,039
china

763
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,200
maybe some of this stuff is but

764
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,120
the stuff we're interesting interested

765
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,360
in is not

766
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,440
in my opinion

767
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,600
so danny says i would ask

768
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:45,919
this to ralph do you think that is a

769
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,039
really worthy story that rupelt the head

770
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,240
of project sign and his deputy signed an

771
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,559
affidavit swearing that he'd read it and

772
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,360
this is what the content of it is

773
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,880
aside from whether the new york times

774
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,960
will agree to publish that do you think

775
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:03,039
that is a real event

776
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,230
that's worthy of reporting

777
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,320
reporting

778
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,480
so ralph do you think that's worthy of

779
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:16,880
reporting the project estimate of the

780
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,440
situation

781
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,480
sorry and ralph says

782
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,080
yeah i do

783
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,000
but i'll tell you this i'm much more

784
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:27,679
interested in some stuff that lou could

785
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,720
tell us

786
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,360
if he would or could about what's going

787
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,360
on now

788
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,760
and then he's like ah i'm just about to

789
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:37,520
go to that right now

790
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,840
and then ralph

791
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,480
laughs

792
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,279
and ralph says but

793
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,279
i think looking back i remember

794
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,520
discussions i had with an editor at the

795
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,039
times and

796
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,520
some of us heard about this uh via the

797
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,720
grapevine

798
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,440
i don't remember where we heard it but

799
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,200
ralph is confirming it confirming it

800
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,120
here confirming it here

801
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:00,799
he goes

802
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:07,750
and we had discussions about documents

803
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,240
that we were referencing that do go

804
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,640
about do go back years and decades

805
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:15,279
and his eyes kind of glazed over at one

806
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,720
point and he said

807
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,679
well

808
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,919
we we don't know the authenticity of

809
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,279
these documents

810
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,279
and anything could have been tampered

811
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,200
with

812
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,120
and then ralph's like but i know he

813
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,039
would be interested and he would and we

814
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:31,200
would all be interested in what lou

815
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,559
could tell us

816
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,480
if he would

817
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:36,399
about things the government is involved

818
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,440
in now

819
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:39,679
and knows now

820
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:42,960
now i know he's constrained by certain

821
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,760
things his clearances and restrictions

822
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:46,960
but

823
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,360
where we are now i think

824
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,720
that would get the attention of the

825
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,720
public and the media

826
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,640
is stuff that the government now is in

827
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,200
possession of and is holding back or

828
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,760
congress in classified form you know

829
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,559
with the uap report that would shed new

830
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,080
light on this stuff

831
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:07,519
and then we don't have to go back

832
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,509
and dolan jumps in because i know

833
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:15,519
dolan was chomping at the bid here

834
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,720
saying

835
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,440
i just want to say this one thing

836
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,679
i think a 75-year

837
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,000
old cover-up is extremely important for

838
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,240
the public to know about and so the more

839
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,679
we siphon the history out of this

840
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,320
phenomenon the more we are in danger of

841
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,559
not holding our government accountable

842
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:35,200
for an entire lifetime of lies

843
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,480
and

844
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,399
blumenthal says i agree with you richard

845
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,240
and richard says so i think that's

846
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,480
important to keep in mind

847
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:44,320
so

848
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,360
i agree with both of them but right now

849
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,840
yeah if we go to documents the documents

850
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,159
as richard say said

851
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:54,000
should be to establish that this was

852
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,840
going on back then i don't think we

853
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,720
should focus on the cover-up right now

854
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,120
get people to realize this is a real

855
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,559
phenomenon

856
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,880
once that happens on a mass level you

857
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:06,880
know with the masses

858
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,919
then we could show people listen

859
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,600
the government covered this up we need

860
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:13,279
to look into this we need to know why it

861
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:16,159
was covered up we need to know um

862
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:17,600
what are we going to do about it you

863
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:20,799
know were people intimidated back then

864
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:24,000
was any violence you know

865
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,159
engaged in trying to keep this secret so

866
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,080
start with the videos we need more

867
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,760
videos get the public's attention

868
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,000
because they love videos and then once

869
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,080
we get them interested and realize it's

870
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,320
real and not

871
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,200
all of our tech or adversarial tech we

872
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,960
go back and look at the documents and

873
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,440
show this has been going on for a long

874
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:46,399
time

875
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,480
so

876
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,640
in the future hopefully that helps them

877
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,600
with other subjects that

878
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,399
they weren't necessarily lied to about

879
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,000
but

880
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,000
stigma has prevented a lot of these

881
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,080
subjects which we'll get into later from

882
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,039
being studied seriously by the public

883
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,080
and by scientists

884
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,120
so we go back to mr

885
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,559
daniel

886
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,799
sheehan

887
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,039
he says

888
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,200
let me ask the question you're

889
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,960
suggesting ralph

890
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,360
let me ask this lou

891
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,679
lou in your capacity as the director of

892
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,120
the atip

893
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,799
were you able to get access to the

894
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,360
actual estimate of the situation by

895
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,720
project sign back in 1948 i'm not asking

896
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:38,480
you what's in it

897
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,029
and lou says and lou did not smile like

898
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,640
that the entire time

899
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:50,559
luke says

900
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,919
and i don't i don't really have a good

901
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,600
loo impersonation

902
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,799
uh he goes

903
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,600
we were able to get access to a lot of

904
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,960
things danny

905
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:01,200
and i'll go down that road in a moment

906
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,200
the initial predicate of this

907
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,120
conversation began with the idea that

908
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,880
someone has the ability to receive

909
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,560
information he's talking about marshall

910
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,839
summers

911
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,919
from something beyond our species and

912
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:14,240
effectively communicate that with intent

913
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,270
let me just state for the record my

914
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,440
perspective on that from me and my

915
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,839
qualifications the problem with

916
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,599
information like that is

917
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,200
there's two things

918
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,040
there's no way to test and there's no

919
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,960
way to prove that

920
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,639
you are just simply taking the

921
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,520
interpretations of a single human being

922
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:37,760
whether that be my interpretation or mr

923
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,919
marshall's interpretation he's talking

924
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,520
about marshall summers

925
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,550
or anybody's inter misinterpretation

926
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,159
i may that might be a

927
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,599
typo

928
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,040
he's like whether that be my

929
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,560
interpretation mr marshall's

930
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,919
interpretation or anybody's

931
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,920
interpretation

932
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,520
so

933
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,599
from that perspective my background as

934
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,680
an investigator is really focusing on

935
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,440
things that i can test and prove and

936
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,520
then present them to a jury

937
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,680
if you will and let them decide what it

938
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,280
means

939
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:13,920
and i suspect from ralph's perspective

940
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,400
in a journalistic perspective

941
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,280
that probably applies as well right for

942
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,520
someone to say one thing is great

943
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,920
but if you can't test it and prove it

944
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:25,920
then there's no there there and there's

945
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,109
i agree with lou um

946
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,950
but

947
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,359
at the same time

948
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,680
i don't think we should rule out any of

949
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:44,320
this information and i'm pretty sure lou

950
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,079
agrees with that

951
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,560
but as far as yeah

952
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,480
and he talks about it later

953
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,160
he needs to stick to the facts i

954
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,000
understand that i'm sure there's a lot

955
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,000
more that lou has heard from people who

956
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,960
are on who are in various programs

957
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,720
sharing the information they collected

958
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,040
in those programs maybe lou has maybe

959
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,880
lou has had access to all of that

960
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:06,960
information i'm still not sure

961
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,440
i know ross coltart has reported on that

962
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,680
and it seems like lou may have had some

963
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,599
of the highest access but i'm not sure

964
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,760
about that

965
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:16,960
and

966
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,150
lou

967
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,839
i agree

968
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,760
as a lawyer because i have to stand in

969
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,359
front of a court and get the information

970
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,680
admitted pursuant to the rules of

971
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:30,720
evidence

972
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,920
and here's danny getting back to this

973
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,119
estimate

974
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,119
let me return to the question

975
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:40,480
were you given access to the estimate of

976
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,430
lou answers

977
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,359
he goes not that particular document we

978
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,520
had access to a lot of things but let me

979
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,440
finish let's just suppose here for a

980
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,599
second presume that mr

981
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,680
presumed that whether it's mr marshall

982
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,599
or anybody else

983
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,960
does actually have some sort of

984
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,119
relationship there from a communication

985
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,280
perspective

986
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,000
there's something as an investigator

987
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:08,079
just because a source tells you

988
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,040
something

989
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,440
i'm not talking about mr marshall but if

990
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:13,760
he's talking to someone someone else the

991
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,230
just because someone tells you something

992
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,839
doesn't mean it's true

993
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,520
when you're doing undercover narcotics

994
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,359
and you ask some ask somebody what their

995
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,359
name is a lot of times they're going to

996
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,520
give you a fake name they're not going

997
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,240
to always give you correct information

998
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,640
and also to avoid what we call single

999
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:34,800
source reporting so there's a lot of

1000
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,000
extraordinary things that occur and now

1001
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,480
let me put that on to the backdrop

1002
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,400
backdrop of

1003
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,119
do we as human beings have extraordinary

1004
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,040
capabilities and some of those remain

1005
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,079
unexplained we absolutely do we know

1006
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,599
that for a fact

1007
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,760
there are human beings that have very

1008
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,280
special gifts

1009
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,040
and capabilities

1010
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,520
that we might consider paranormal for

1011
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,599
example individuals who can tolerate a

1012
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:03,680
tremendous amount of electricity without

1013
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:04,800
it killing them

1014
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,160
individuals who have photographic memory

1015
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,240
individuals who are music virtuosos

1016
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,720
who've never played a piano and can also

1017
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,520
crank out beautiful music

1018
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,520
and then you have the areas such as

1019
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,359
intuition right

1020
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,040
human intuition

1021
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,800
does the government involve itself in

1022
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,920
that stuff

1023
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,520
yeah it has

1024
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,160
in times it has in fact one of my dear

1025
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:30,720
colleagues and friends is a gentleman

1026
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,520
named

1027
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,079
dr hal put off who actually was one of

1028
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,240
the godfathers if you will

1029
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,160
that ran the us government's remote

1030
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,160
viewing program psychic program of

1031
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:42,640
espionage for espionage

1032
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,040
and it wasn't just us the russians had a

1033
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,280
long involvement in that as well in

1034
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,240
remote viewing or psychic espionage

1035
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,800
and also as far as to go farther further

1036
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,800
into what we call psychotronic weapons

1037
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,640
development

1038
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,800
just real quick uh

1039
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:00,400
john i want to know

1040
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,839
uk

1041
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,880
john

1042
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:04,160
has

1043
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,710
hal trained lou in remote viewing so

1044
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,119
and i believe he said that

1045
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,800
i think lewis said that he was part of

1046
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,160
that program

1047
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,000
he said yeah it was lou's like it was a

1048
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,640
mistake it was just for a few days

1049
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,000
so

1050
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,760
that may be

1051
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,320
why lou has a certain perspective

1052
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,150
abilities of human beings to

1053
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,990
access information using our sixth sense

1054
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,119
and we'll get back to that a little

1055
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,359
later

1056
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:45,520
and lew says it shouldn't be a surprise

1057
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,150
it shouldn't be a surprise that human

1058
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,640
beings have extraordinary capabilities

1059
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,800
if you just look at the word for example

1060
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,320
and i've said it before and he talks

1061
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,839
about

1062
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,520
you know if you say parachute people

1063
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,760
think a device that deploys and slows

1064
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,079
you down if you say paramedic people

1065
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,160
think of a responder first responder or

1066
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,560
lifesaver something positive but if you

1067
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,319
say paranormal

1068
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,079
people usually stop for a second they

1069
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,560
kind of hesitate maybe raise an eyebrow

1070
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,560
and they'll kind of look at you maybe

1071
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,720
[\h__\h] their head to one side and say

1072
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,560
what do you mean

1073
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,560
the point being is that paranormal has a

1074
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,480
stigma associated with it just like

1075
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,960
anything else weird and crazy right

1076
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:30,800
that we consider as a fringe in our

1077
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,790
when in reality

1078
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,839
there are things that

1079
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,560
by definition

1080
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,040
all things in science are paranormal

1081
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:47,440
until they become normal that's just a

1082
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,880
fact

1083
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,400
my cell phone i have right here in my

1084
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,560
hand 100 years ago

1085
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,400
it would be considered paranormal you

1086
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,640
know some sort of magic talking box that

1087
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,319
allows me to communicate across long

1088
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,599
distances well that's reality now

1089
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,640
and so i guess my point my point is that

1090
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,400
although i think that that particular

1091
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,319
part piece of the conversation is

1092
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,160
certainly worth having

1093
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,920
understand that unless there is a way to

1094
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,000
test and to prove this information it's

1095
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,240
very difficult to have that conversation

1096
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,920
not only with the media like the new

1097
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,920
york times but also when i was with atip

1098
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,599
you know trying to talk to a three or

1099
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,440
four star general or a political

1100
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,119
appointee

1101
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,119
at the end of the day it doesn't get me

1102
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:29,119
any closer to the finish line you know

1103
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,160
that

1104
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,240
the finish line is hey there's something

1105
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,480
in our skies we don't know what it is we

1106
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,640
don't know how it works and we probably

1107
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,720
better figure it out

1108
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,480
so basically you know he's basically

1109
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,480
saying he sticks to the very basics when

1110
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,400
talking to people

1111
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,319
media

1112
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,880
politicians

1113
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,000
generals

1114
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:52,319
and that and i i think i totally

1115
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,000
understand that you can't speak to them

1116
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,319
since most of them it's a new

1117
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,720
subject for them you can't jump from

1118
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,520
some of these objects seem to be

1119
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,200
someone else's

1120
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,440
and by the way

1121
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:10,240
there are these 9000 pages of telepathic

1122
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:11,760
communication from the allies of

1123
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:14,480
humanity and yeah you can't you can't do

1124
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,520
that

1125
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,440
for someone like me i am really

1126
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,760
interested in hearing that you know i

1127
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,599
have an experience reading a lot of

1128
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,599
channeled material so i'm very wary

1129
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,599
because a lot of it contradicts

1130
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,000
most of it contradicts

1131
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,160
one channel material will contradict the

1132
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,839
other channel material

1133
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,720
so

1134
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:33,760
um

1135
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,760
different than what i've heard before so

1136
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,280
i paid attention

1137
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,599
but i still don't know

1138
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:43,359
what to make of it

1139
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,720
and i understand lou avoiding that type

1140
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,640
of stuff right now you know somewhere

1141
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,040
down the line okay

1142
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,839
but like i said for me

1143
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,440
no i'm not gonna wait i'm gonna i'm

1144
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,200
gonna share what i can and share with

1145
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:59,359
you my opinion on that kind of stuff and

1146
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,240
i think

1147
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,400
the work of marshall summers is worthy

1148
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,599
of

1149
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,200
evaluation

1150
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,119
like the inspector general's office is

1151
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:16,309
and i will take a break to drink

1152
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,950
i'm sorry some of this is a little

1153
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,800
a little sloppy i mean i'm trying to

1154
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,119
read and also add in

1155
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,680
my own thoughts

1156
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,920
and not exactly always read it for word

1157
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,200
for word

1158
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,440
so lou continues as far as answering

1159
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,720
your question

1160
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,560
did i have access to historical

1161
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:36,160
documents we did

1162
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,040
but

1163
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,960
as ralph explained from from a media

1164
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,760
perspective i had the same challenge

1165
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,520
it's a cold case something that happened

1166
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,680
in the 40s and 50s although it's very

1167
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,800
compelling

1168
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,800
and it's official documentation and oh

1169
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,720
by the way when i'm talking to the media

1170
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,880
now i show them those documents i bring

1171
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:55,119
them i bring them and i say hey

1172
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,400
take a look

1173
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,480
this is not just me this is a four-star

1174
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,400
general talking to the director of the

1175
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,599
fbi j edgar hoover and saying

1176
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,440
this thing is real and it's affecting

1177
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,760
our sensitive facilities there's some

1178
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:10,400
sort of reconnaissance going on

1179
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,760
end quote

1180
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,440
and lou's like so don't get me wrong

1181
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,119
historical information is valuable in

1182
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,640
fact i would even go further and say

1183
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,359
it's vital in the conversation but it's

1184
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,920
only part of the conversation what it

1185
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,720
does

1186
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:24,960
is it establishes a precedence that this

1187
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,800
is continuing to occur

1188
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,319
and there is some sort of national

1189
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,640
security equity or interest in this

1190
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:38,150
and danny continues on with the national

1191
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:39,760
not the national the estimate of the

1192
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,280
situation from project project sign

1193
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,560
he says

1194
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,599
ralph

1195
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,359
if in fact there is an official

1196
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:49,440
government estimate from project sign

1197
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,800
back in like 1948

1198
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,880
and it states that people that are on

1199
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,800
the team that have conducted the

1200
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,119
investigation have formed the conclusion

1201
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,359
that the source of these ufos is

1202
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,280
extraterrestrial

1203
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:05,599
wouldn't you view that as a big story in

1204
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,309
and mr blumenthal says

1205
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,760
historically

1206
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,920
it would be very interesting but again

1207
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,839
going back to establish what is the

1208
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,920
foundation of that conclusion richard

1209
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,520
with all due respect a lot of these

1210
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,640
documents have come to light

1211
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,000
historically over the years and they've

1212
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,920
been written about

1213
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,680
i wrote about some of them in my book

1214
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,119
they've been written about in your books

1215
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,200
in many books so it doesn't strike

1216
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,599
readers as really brand new

1217
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,520
we know that the government researched

1218
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,760
this stuff and i will say one thing

1219
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:40,079
it doesn't strike readers like me

1220
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,760
as being brand new although i always

1221
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,760
like reading more documents and you know

1222
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:45,839
because i forget them

1223
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,960
but somebody brand new to this subject

1224
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,720
those documents are more important you

1225
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,880
know they're going to say oh my god this

1226
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,560
has been going on for this long how come

1227
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:56,160
i didn't know about this

1228
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,839
so ralph continues we know that the

1229
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,920
government researched this stuff decades

1230
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,119
ago

1231
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,560
you know and there were some compelling

1232
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,599
reports

1233
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,359
and some of them were hushed up or

1234
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,480
buried

1235
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,480
but a lot came out

1236
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:11,359
but there's a patina of oldness to the

1237
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,599
stuff that doesn't excite modern day

1238
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,319
editors and readers as much as new stuff

1239
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:17,359
would

1240
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,280
and then he says because the government

1241
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,040
was a because the government was

1242
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,920
officially lying and punishing people

1243
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,000
and attacking them and trying to destroy

1244
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,839
their careers

1245
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:31,680
ralph said yeah but that's been said

1246
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,349
and lou says

1247
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,280
now

1248
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,760
if i may interject here

1249
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,760
i think there's some interesting

1250
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,000
interesting middle ground

1251
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,240
i'm not an either or kind of guy as most

1252
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:50,160
people know i'm not a binary decision

1253
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:51,200
maker

1254
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,839
you know it's not you go left or right

1255
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,599
you go right you come up to a cliff and

1256
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,319
there's an there are other options to do

1257
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,079
i think there is certainly romance in

1258
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,760
historical reporting if you can tie it

1259
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:03,760
to current reporting

1260
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,960
and then he refers to the 19 uh the 2004

1261
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,280
tic tac incidents with the uss nimitz

1262
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,560
and princeton

1263
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:12,079
and the two f

1264
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,000
the two f-18s encountering the tic-tac

1265
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,720
and the roiling water underneath the

1266
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,480
tic-tac and lou says it's very similar

1267
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,240
to events that occurred

1268
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,680
in the 60s and earlier the 1950s where

1269
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,920
these same white objects

1270
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,160
we're going to presume for a second here

1271
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,319
that they're the same thing because

1272
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:34,079
they're performing the same way they're

1273
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:35,839
described the same way

1274
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,040
uh instead of being called a tic tac

1275
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,040
they called him a flying butane tank

1276
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,680
back then or a flying throat lozenge

1277
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,280
because they didn't have tic tacs back

1278
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:47,440
then

1279
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,720
a white flying throat lozenge so i think

1280
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,640
when you're looking at a historical

1281
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,480
report where you have an object

1282
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,960
performing precisely in the same way

1283
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,800
that we have the objects occurring in

1284
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,960
current time and you can draw that

1285
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,319
correlation

1286
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:03,839
that we may be dealing with the same

1287
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,599
technology going back 70 years then

1288
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,440
that probably is a good story because

1289
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,520
now there is a logic that can be thread

1290
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:13,280
through all of these different incidents

1291
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,319
and say

1292
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:16,400
hey look

1293
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,270
let me ask this of ralph

1294
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,200
if you have a credible report that is

1295
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:31,359
worthy of going into the times

1296
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,520
that dr eric davis in december of 2020

1297
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,839
gave a report to the senate intelligence

1298
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,319
committee stating that the people he was

1299
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,520
working with

1300
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:44,000
that were investigating this phenomenon

1301
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,440
had come to believe that these were

1302
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,720
off-world vehicles and he said

1303
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,119
and by the way i believe

1304
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,040
dr eric davis believes these were

1305
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,160
constructed off world

1306
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,400
i mean that's a little minor point but

1307
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,640
that's just some

1308
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,559
extra data for you

1309
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,069
he said that

1310
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,680
to the intelligence committee in

1311
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,640
december of 2020 does that convince you

1312
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,480
lou that there's a direct correlation to

1313
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,800
the report the estimate of the situation

1314
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:16,960
that was made back in 1948 by an

1315
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,400
official by an official government group

1316
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,400
that they had the same

1317
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:24,240
similar technology you're talking about

1318
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,480
at that time and they too had come to

1319
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,000
that conclusion that the source of this

1320
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,319
was extraterrestrial doesn't that meet

1321
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,079
with your journalistic standard ralph

1322
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,760
and your investigative standards lou

1323
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:37,280
lou says

1324
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,920
i can't speak for ralph

1325
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,000
and i'll let him jump in here and give

1326
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,559
his perspective but from an

1327
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,960
investigative perspective

1328
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,720
i think we have to be careful with

1329
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,720
anybody who makes a conclusion that this

1330
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,280
goes back to the binary way of thinking

1331
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,280
and it's problematic

1332
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,440
and basically he goes into

1333
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,800
off on

1334
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,160
left right

1335
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,760
up down

1336
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,119
he says that's the way we look at the

1337
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,640
world

1338
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,559
feeling okay today i'm feeling good or

1339
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,480
bad

1340
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,480
he goes it's just ingrained in our dna

1341
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,319
but in reality nature doesn't work that

1342
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,359
way so

1343
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,359
when we say in the 40s these things were

1344
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,280
extraterrestrial from outer space we

1345
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:19,040
didn't know a whole lot about our own

1346
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,079
planet

1347
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:22,160
let alone about quantum physics by the

1348
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,359
way

1349
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,680
either in the late 40s or early 50s if

1350
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,520
you read john keele's book

1351
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,720
they weren't stuck on the

1352
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,040
extraterrestrial hypothesis which really

1353
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:33,440
surprised me even back then they were

1354
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:34,720
talking about they called it a

1355
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,680
paraphysical hypothesis but

1356
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,400
basically objects that are here but are

1357
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,640
in the electromag in the electromagnetic

1358
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,480
spectrum that

1359
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,160
that we can't actually see them because

1360
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,559
our eyesight is limited

1361
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:50,800
i'm not sure if

1362
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,640
back then paraphysical i think they did

1363
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,800
but yeah they weren't stuck on just e.t

1364
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,480
and there was a divide in the community

1365
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,079
just like there is now although it's a

1366
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,960
different divide a lot of it but yeah

1367
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,079
there was a

1368
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:06,000
they they considered paraphysical you

1369
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,960
know

1370
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,760
woo

1371
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:10,079
and the extraterrestrial hypothesis was

1372
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,520
the leading one and if you broke away

1373
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,680
from that people did not like it

1374
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:15,280
so they were like i said they weren't

1375
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:16,079
just

1376
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,160
stuck on the e.t hypothesis

1377
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,760
so lou says you know in the 40s these

1378
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:23,119
things are you know

1379
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,760
when they said they were

1380
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:25,200
extraterrestrial from outer space we

1381
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,480
didn't know a whole lot about our own

1382
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,960
planet let alone about quantum physics

1383
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
in the 40s right

1384
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,240
we were just unlocking the secrets of

1385
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,119
the atom and so this is why i i'm very

1386
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,440
careful to say when someone says this is

1387
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:39,359
from outer space well it certainly could

1388
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,319
be

1389
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:43,520
but there are other options

1390
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:44,400
and

1391
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,119
i

1392
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,280
get so annoyed when people say

1393
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,359
eric davis told them they're off world

1394
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:51,359
off-world vehicles

1395
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,359
listen and then people say well eric

1396
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,119
davis thinks they're extraterrestrial

1397
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,800
that's happened twice in interviews with

1398
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,359
lou where the person talking to lou does

1399
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,280
not give

1400
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,599
an accurate representation of what eric

1401
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,000
davis has said eric davis has said he

1402
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,240
doesn't know where these objects are

1403
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,800
from he thinks they're using

1404
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,960
other dimensions to get here but they

1405
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,559
could be here

1406
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,559
on our planet they could be in the

1407
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:18,960
vicinity they could be extraterrestrial

1408
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,599
he doesn't put any specific you know

1409
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:23,520
answer as to where these objects are

1410
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,400
from

1411
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:26,160
i did communicate with him recently just

1412
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,520
to make sure and he's like yeah we don't

1413
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,800
know where these are from so

1414
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,960
that's annoying when people insinuate

1415
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,079
that davis says these are

1416
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,160
extraterrestrial when he does not

1417
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:38,319
and lou is at a disadvantage because lou

1418
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,920
doesn't keep track of everything eric

1419
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,480
davis says so when people say well eric

1420
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,480
davis said this lou is going by what

1421
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:45,920
those folks are telling him so it's not

1422
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:51,670
and lou says

1423
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,359
they could be from outer space inner

1424
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,680
space or frankly the space in between

1425
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:58,079
which he said he has said many times

1426
00:53:03,270 --> 00:52:59,200
he goes

1427
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,280
maybe even from our oceans we don't know

1428
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,760
so it's dangerous to conclusively say

1429
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,640
that these are palladians or reptilians

1430
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:11,520
or or tall whites or whatever someone

1431
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,000
wants to hypothesize

1432
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,599
i'm impressed lou now knows about

1433
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,520
palladians and tall whites i mean

1434
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,480
everybody knows about reptilians but

1435
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,079
lou said that when he was in atip he

1436
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,559
didn't read anything ufo material wise

1437
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,280
and he wanted to keep you know a clean

1438
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,440
slate he didn't want to be influenced by

1439
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,920
any other data on the subject but now

1440
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,680
that he's out i'm assuming he's reading

1441
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,800
books

1442
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:36,800
obviously he's talking about palladians

1443
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,150
he says but in reality we simply don't

1444
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:44,000
know and i've always i think we can

1445
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,119
agree

1446
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,440
that it's not ours and i think we can

1447
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:49,920
agree that it's probably certainly not

1448
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:53,200
foreign adversarial which means

1449
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,200
it's probably not human much beyond that

1450
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,599
it's wide open it's the wild west west

1451
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:02,000
baby and he didn't say baby

1452
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,040
i did

1453
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,119
and we could speculate all day long but

1454
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,680
in reality i know it looks like i'm

1455
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,680
threading the needle here and people are

1456
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,480
saying

1457
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,040
well he's not really committing and lou

1458
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,400
says i'm not i'm not committing

1459
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,440
and danny goes

1460
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:21,680
i'm fixing typos as i go

1461
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,559
indeed which i didn't think i had danny

1462
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,400
says no no no no

1463
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,400
if you're not saying if you're saying

1464
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:30,079
that we can say

1465
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,760
that the source of these is not human

1466
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,440
lou says

1467
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,680
i think that's that is going to be part

1468
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,319
of look i don't think we can avoid that

1469
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,319
part of the conversation

1470
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:44,400
i think we're all ready

1471
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:46,400
and then the rest of it got cut off on

1472
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:47,920
bad audio

1473
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,079
and she and goes are you listening to

1474
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,760
this ralph

1475
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:54,000
you got that part and he means the part

1476
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:54,799
where

1477
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:01,520
said

1478
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,280
it's probably

1479
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,480
not human

1480
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,880
are you listening to this ralph

1481
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,960
you got that part

1482
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,280
and ralph says i'm listening and i'm

1483
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,680
dying to jump in because i want to say

1484
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,040
something

1485
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,280
that's my new york accent which i have

1486
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,680
kind of lost over the years he goes

1487
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,520
first of all i want to say to adam that

1488
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,280
you are the heir to that research at

1489
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,520
princeton that was conducted into

1490
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,440
paranormal and psychic abilities which

1491
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:30,799
i'm sure you know

1492
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,760
well

1493
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,440
so i'd like to hear from you quickly on

1494
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,079
how your how your research may tie into

1495
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:37,760
time to the numbers researched by your

1496
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:40,480
predecessor predecessor at princeton

1497
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:43,680
robert john by the way john passed away

1498
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,960
i think in 2017 or 19

1499
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,119
um he worked with brenda dunn at the

1500
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:51,040
para laboratory

1501
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,640
ralph continues i just want to say one

1502
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,680
thing

1503
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,200
you know we have the ability today that

1504
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,880
we didn't have back in the 40s and 50s

1505
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,119
with technology we have infrared gun

1506
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,440
cameras radar things that are picking up

1507
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,599
now proof that these objects physically

1508
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,880
exist

1509
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,400
well we had a lot of that stuff back

1510
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:08,480
then some of it but we we have better

1511
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,640
tech now yeah especially the flear

1512
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,839
cameras

1513
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,760
uh so in that sense yeah we can go back

1514
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,599
to project sign project grudge and look

1515
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,839
at their records and you know sort of

1516
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,760
excavate everything that they found and

1517
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:21,359
the estimate of the situation but we

1518
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,319
have to

1519
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,319
we have the ability today

1520
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:26,000
to go beyond that

1521
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,839
what has nasa picked up from the space

1522
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,000
station what what are the satellites

1523
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,000
picking up these are all questions of

1524
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,400
technology that we can use our modern

1525
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,480
tools to advance us so we don't have to

1526
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,559
go back yeah it's interesting to go back

1527
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,720
but let's go forward and see what we can

1528
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,559
find and we can take pictures of black

1529
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,240
holes hundreds of millions of light

1530
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,079
years away like the ones they took that

1531
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,559
i have in my book from 2019 you know i

1532
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,640
guess an astounding feat and they found

1533
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,040
the higgs boson under higgs boson

1534
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,200
underground after hundreds of billions

1535
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,359
of experiments and hours where they

1536
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,440
found nothing now they found one

1537
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,599
particle and he's talking about the work

1538
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,000
at cern and don't do not ask me to

1539
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,240
unders to explain

1540
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,319
the implications of higg boson higgs

1541
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,559
boson i need to read up on that

1542
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,720
you know ralph's like with the kind of

1543
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,720
no scientific know-how we have now if we

1544
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:16,480
apply that to trying to figure out what

1545
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,160
these objects are

1546
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:19,520
and how the hell they can do what they

1547
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,240
do

1548
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,720
that would really advance us so i think

1549
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,280
that's why i'm sort of focused ahead

1550
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,079
rather than back

1551
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,480
then he goes

1552
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,799
i agree i agree

1553
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,640
over 50 years of being an attorney

1554
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,480
dealing with a lot of these issues i'm

1555
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,400
always struck by how

1556
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,400
every administration is prepared to only

1557
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,160
look forward and never wanting to look

1558
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:43,680
talk about the past

1559
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,799
but let's just set aside the past

1560
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,040
if you've got an official government

1561
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,520
document again he's talking about the

1562
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:53,280
estimate of the situation

1563
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,760
in 1948 saying that the people who have

1564
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,920
looked into this have concluded

1565
00:58:01,349 --> 00:58:00,160
this is extraterrestrial

1566
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:01,359
and in fact

1567
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,079
december of 2020 telling the senate

1568
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:08,480
select intelligence committee that is

1569
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,640
that his whole team has concluded that

1570
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,400
these are off-world vehicles not

1571
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,119
constructed anywhere on this planet

1572
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,200
and you've got lou elizondo who is the

1573
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:19,599
head of the investigative group saying

1574
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,910
that it's something that's not human i

1575
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,799
mean

1576
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,160
doesn't that strike you as a story ralph

1577
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,799
i mean come on ralph

1578
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:34,960
and that was my part saying come on

1579
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:37,920
ralph ralph goes yeah

1580
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:40,880
and we put it in the near new york times

1581
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,680
we put a briefing slide eric davis's

1582
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:46,240
briefing slide in the new york times

1583
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:49,599
saying off planet vehicles so let's move

1584
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:55,109
and this was my favorite

1585
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,990
so what did eric davis say when you

1586
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,760
asked him about it

1587
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,520
well i don't i don't want to say what he

1588
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,559
told us

1589
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,079
but i'm telling you what we put in the

1590
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,680
new york times

1591
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,799
well i'm asking you what he told you not

1592
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,799
what you put in the new york times

1593
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,400
what did he tell you

1594
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,079
well

1595
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,240
he told us enough to back up that story

1596
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,240
that we put in the new york times so

1597
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:22,480
what i'm saying is that so we said that

1598
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:25,119
you know we put it in the new york times

1599
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:26,799
we said that we put it in the new york

1600
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,520
times so now a lot of stuff is already

1601
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,920
on the record let's move ahead and

1602
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:33,920
expand that opening we have to find out

1603
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,589
i'd like to know what information the

1604
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,839
government has that it's not sharing

1605
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,040
with us

1606
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:44,960
it's our information it's the people's

1607
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,920
information we pay for it with our tax

1608
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,480
money it affects us our future our

1609
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,240
contacts with possibly other

1610
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,960
intelligences in the universe so what's

1611
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,240
so secret

1612
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,240
we have a right to that information so

1613
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:00,640
let's push as hard as we can to get that

1614
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:03,760
information and get it on the record

1615
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,640
and then he says would you compare

1616
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:09,119
the classified annex to the june 5th

1617
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,920
25th on i uap report would you compare

1618
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,599
that to the pentagon papers that the new

1619
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,400
york times

1620
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,640
published

1621
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:18,240
just real quick pentagon papers which i

1622
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,480
did i do include a little summary in the

1623
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,559
blog

1624
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,319
classified information about the vietnam

1625
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,319
war that made the united states look

1626
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:28,480
really bad it was leaked by

1627
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,920
i believe it was daniel ellsberg and

1628
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,079
yeah uh it made it into the new york

1629
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,839
times it was classified information so

1630
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,920
that can happen and danny talks about

1631
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,240
that later so there is there is some

1632
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,200
hope for us but you know this is more

1633
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:45,359
sensitive than the pentagon papers this

1634
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,599
is world changing

1635
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,680
that was country changing at the very

1636
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:51,680
least

1637
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:53,119
so ralph says

1638
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:54,720
i would compare

1639
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,160
the 180 day uap report

1640
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,240
to the pentagon papers in the sense that

1641
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:01,920
i think it's public information that the

1642
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,280
public paid for

1643
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:04,880
that they have the right to know it's

1644
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,599
their future it's our future so what is

1645
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:09,440
the government protecting us from you

1646
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,640
know the whole story of why the

1647
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,240
government held this information so

1648
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:15,119
closely all along historically is that

1649
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,480
we couldn't be trusted with this

1650
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,720
information to know that these objects

1651
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,640
were real that there were real

1652
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,319
encounters and the government always

1653
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,319
thought we can't handle the truth you

1654
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,119
know and that's not true

1655
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,960
and then he says yeah because they kept

1656
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:30,480
concluding that they were

1657
01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:32,480
extraterrestrial according to two

1658
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,760
different reports

1659
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,599
ralph says well

1660
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:37,760
whatever they concluded we can't be

1661
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:38,799
trusted

1662
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,920
with that fact so we demand to know now

1663
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,119
what it is

1664
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,359
so i keep saying it won't be hard to get

1665
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,040
other stories in the new york times and

1666
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:48,799
the washington post and the wall street

1667
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,760
journal

1668
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,280
if we had the information from a

1669
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,880
reliable source

1670
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:54,480
and that's what we're pushing for all

1671
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:57,280
the time to get that information that is

1672
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,480
verified

1673
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:01,119
that's authenticated that comes with a

1674
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:04,400
named source and that's not anonymous

1675
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:07,760
that we can put in the paper

1676
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,039
and then lou

1677
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:11,920
poops on our party and says

1678
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,480
can i ask what happens

1679
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,720
if it turns out the government isn't

1680
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:17,839
quote

1681
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:23,039
because the government itself doesn't

1682
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:24,480
know the truth

1683
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:26,880
the government itself is in a situation

1684
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,640
a position where it knows that

1685
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,880
something's out there

1686
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:33,039
but much more than that as far as a

1687
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,400
narrative

1688
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,200
is rather inconclusive

1689
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,520
and perhaps and this is where

1690
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,760
danny earns his money not and he didn't

1691
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,079
get paid for this but danny becomes the

1692
01:02:46,870 --> 01:02:45,760
lawyer and it was a really great

1693
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,880
exchange

1694
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,880
danny says low

1695
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,640
blue

1696
01:02:55,230 --> 01:02:53,760
there's potentially credible evidence

1697
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,240
that they're in possession of

1698
01:02:57,870 --> 01:02:57,200
extraterrestrial bodies

1699
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:57,880
and

1700
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,559
extraterrestrial craft

1701
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:03,280
and lugos no no no no no listen what i'm

1702
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,640
trying to say here

1703
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,319
and danny's like

1704
01:03:10,950 --> 01:03:08,079
but that's just a hypothetical that

1705
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:10,960
doesn't comport with the reality and lou

1706
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,029
and danny jumps in

1707
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,109
it's not that they can't figure out

1708
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,680
what they are it's that they don't want

1709
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,520
us to know

1710
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:28,799
lou says

1711
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:35,430
lou

1712
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:38,240
it does comport because we get things

1713
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,680
all the time

1714
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:41,280
that we don't know how they work and so

1715
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,839
we keep it secret there are things and i

1716
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,079
won't go into detail here but there's

1717
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:48,559
technologies that we get all the time

1718
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,960
from a foreign adversary and we don't

1719
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,119
let anybody know because even though we

1720
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,599
haven't figured it out yet yes we have

1721
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,799
it we do

1722
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,880
but we haven't figured it out yet and

1723
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,119
i'm i'm not saying that the reality is

1724
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:04,079
that that doesn't exist what i'm simply

1725
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,440
saying is that

1726
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:07,359
if you are given a technology and it

1727
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:09,039
takes you a hundred years to figure it

1728
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:12,079
out and you still haven't figured it out

1729
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,160
there's not a whole lot to report you

1730
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,160
know yeah we've got something strange

1731
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,160
and exotic but we don't know how it

1732
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,400
works i'm going to interrupt here

1733
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,160
he says there's not a whole lot to

1734
01:04:25,589 --> 01:04:24,480
report yes there is there is a whole lot

1735
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:25,599
to report

1736
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,039
we have something that we don't think

1737
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:29,520
was made by humans and we have bodies

1738
01:04:34,230 --> 01:04:31,760
that appear to be non-human

1739
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:34,240
that is a lot to report

1740
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,200
so

1741
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:37,760
i don't agree with that angle

1742
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,920
lou has taken there i know he clears it

1743
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,160
up later on but that specific paragraph

1744
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:44,640
i do not agree with

1745
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:47,039
so lou's like yeah we've got something

1746
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:48,960
strange and exotic but

1747
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:51,280
we don't know how it works

1748
01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:54,319
and then danny rightfully so says yeah

1749
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:57,440
but if the strange and exotic thing

1750
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,160
that we've got comes with bodies that

1751
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:02,319
are clearly not human

1752
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,400
doesn't that seem to shed some light on

1753
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,720
the fact that uh

1754
01:05:12,309 --> 01:05:09,039
and then lou says well

1755
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,470
it certainly makes compelling makes it

1756
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,079
compelling

1757
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,079
but we still don't know any more than we

1758
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,960
did before so let's let's go down that

1759
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:22,640
trail just for a second let's say

1760
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,359
there's a craft with some bodies in it

1761
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:27,119
that aren't human

1762
01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:28,720
then he goes yep

1763
01:05:32,470 --> 01:05:30,319
lou says okay

1764
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,480
but you don't know where they're from

1765
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:33,839
you don't know

1766
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:35,119
what they are

1767
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:37,119
what their intentions are

1768
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,960
what their motivations are

1769
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,559
how long do they live what's their

1770
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:42,000
metabolic rate

1771
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:44,319
my point being is just hypothetically

1772
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,680
just to go down that road and by the way

1773
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,680
yeah we don't if we don't know any of

1774
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,200
that stuff that doesn't preclude the

1775
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,599
government from saying we have it you

1776
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:55,520
know it's it's world changing it's

1777
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,039
species changing so

1778
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:01,280
i i don't really think that's relevant

1779
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,839
as far as talking

1780
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,039
about sharing that information the

1781
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,280
basics that we have it you know with the

1782
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,880
public

1783
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,960
and you'll see luke changes his tune a

1784
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:12,160
little bit he says those are two

1785
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,680
separate issues but it seems like he was

1786
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:15,440
making the argument

1787
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:17,119
in these paragraphs here that you know

1788
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,400
we should not

1789
01:06:21,990 --> 01:06:20,160
tell people until we figured out exactly

1790
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:22,000
what it is

1791
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:23,839
and danny says you've been keeping it

1792
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,480
secret for 75 years and he's talking

1793
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,240
about you the government

1794
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:30,559
and i'll just go back a little lou says

1795
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,440
you know you don't know where they're

1796
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,280
from what their intentions are my point

1797
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,119
being is hypothetically just to go down

1798
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:37,599
that road and danny says

1799
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:40,160
but you've been keeping it secret for 75

1800
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,039
years

1801
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:43,359
exactly mr sheehan

1802
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,599
and then and then lou says

1803
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:46,799
but that's

1804
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:51,280
this is where i was kind of confused

1805
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,640
because it didn't seem like lou was

1806
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,480
making a different issue but then he

1807
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,559
says let's not conflate the two so

1808
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,240
you're right the fact that we might have

1809
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,960
something like that that should be told

1810
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,880
to the american people

1811
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,720
but where we have to be careful is to go

1812
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,559
down the line of saying we know more

1813
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:08,880
than we don't

1814
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,160
nobody said that i i don't think

1815
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,280
sheehan never said you know we know

1816
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,280
everything about these beings or the

1817
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,359
craft or where they're from he just said

1818
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,960
the fact that we have them should be

1819
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:23,520
shared so you know lou saying we have to

1820
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,000
be careful to go down you know not to go

1821
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:27,839
down that road and you know people

1822
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,480
thinking we know more than we do okay

1823
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,559
i understand that but

1824
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,400
that's not what he was arguing earlier

1825
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,079
so

1826
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,160
danny says i agree i agree i totally

1827
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,480
agree and lu says this topic is you know

1828
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:41,680
so anyways

1829
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,870
and uh and

1830
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,880
in my comments i said you know it seems

1831
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,640
like lou is saying if we have craft and

1832
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:52,880
bodies we need more data to figure out

1833
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:54,559
all of the details such as where they're

1834
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:57,680
from what their intentions are etcetera

1835
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,319
and i refer to

1836
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,520
february 23rd of 2021 louis on spaced

1837
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:05,680
out radio with dave scott and he brought

1838
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:10,000
up that lack of data when dave asked him

1839
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,440
has lou elizondo the person ever seen a

1840
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,039
gray being

1841
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:18,000
big black eyes skin color silverish tone

1842
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:21,120
maybe brown at times four feet tall to

1843
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,560
five feet tall

1844
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,440
almond shaped eyes a slit mouth

1845
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,239
barely any nose three fingers

1846
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:30,719
ever seen one

1847
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,640
and lou says

1848
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,679
lou elizondo as a person has seen some

1849
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,480
pretty extraordinary things in his life

1850
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,880
i don't want to prejudice the jury here

1851
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:42,480
i've seen a lot of things in my life

1852
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:45,279
that have been very very compelling

1853
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:47,920
but in every one of those situations and

1854
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,480
in every case i needed more data

1855
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:52,239
you're asking a great question and

1856
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,600
people are going to say i'm being

1857
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:56,000
evasive and yeah you're damn right i am

1858
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,000
i am being evasive so yeah he needed

1859
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,239
more data which is basically saying what

1860
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,319
he said earlier you know

1861
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,080
we have bodies and craft but we don't

1862
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,159
know the origin we don't know any

1863
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,560
details supposedly we don't know any of

1864
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:10,000
those details

1865
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:10,960
so

1866
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,239
it seems like me lou has either seen

1867
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:15,920
bodies

1868
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:17,199
and or

1869
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,000
a craft in person with his own eyes or

1870
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,920
at the very least

1871
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,719
i believe he has seen photos of that

1872
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,960
uh the way he talks i would i'd lean

1873
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,880
towards him seeing it with his own eyes

1874
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,040
especially the claim

1875
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,520
that stephen greer said that

1876
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:36,080
sheehan told greer that lou told him

1877
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:37,359
that he had seen

1878
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,799
a ufo

1879
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,560
in a government facility which would not

1880
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,120
surprise me but lou if that's true lou

1881
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:45,120
cannot admit that right now i know he

1882
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:46,799
has to go through the evaluation and

1883
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,359
with his security clearance being

1884
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,560
threatened i know a lot of people

1885
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,080
probably get mad at me right now saying

1886
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,239
why not he should tell us just screw the

1887
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:56,400
security clearance

1888
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,400
but

1889
01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,080
whether or not he's seen it with his own

1890
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,480
eyes that stuff craft and bodies or

1891
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,560
photos i don't know

1892
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,280
and hopefully we get to know because i'm

1893
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,360
i would love to hear the stories lou has

1894
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,000
that he has not shared with us

1895
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,320
and dave stock dave scott says did it

1896
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,719
scare you lou says

1897
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,480
a lot of things scare me sure fear from

1898
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,320
me though i'm not scared by scared by

1899
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:22,239
this topic i'm more scared of not being

1900
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:25,199
able to ask or not allowed to ask a

1901
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:26,159
question

1902
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,990
and lou continues unless you're

1903
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,840
shooting at me i'm really not going to

1904
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,120
get stressed

1905
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,960
if we can't have a conversation about

1906
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,280
potentially something that is

1907
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,000
existential to our species in our

1908
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:49,679
understanding

1909
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:51,679
to me the bigger threat is not being

1910
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,840
able to ask the question versus the

1911
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:55,920
answer itself i'd rather have an

1912
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,239
uncomfortable answer

1913
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,480
than not being allowed to ask the

1914
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,960
question that i'm asking

1915
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,800
and

1916
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,040
that is very similar to what eric

1917
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:10,159
weinstein said in his panel his lecture

1918
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:11,679
if the information is going to be the

1919
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,679
end of society if that information is

1920
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:14,960
shared he goes

1921
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:17,760
bring it on whatever the information is

1922
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,480
we deserve to know what it is

1923
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,600
um

1924
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,679
so back to the panel

1925
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,159
and we got danny sheen talking about an

1926
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:28,239
infamous well i didn't know the story

1927
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,470
oliver wendell holmes who was a famous

1928
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:37,360
supreme court justice in the 80s 1880s

1929
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,640
and 90s

1930
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:40,880
and one day his wife came back came by

1931
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,120
on her horse-drawn carriage called a

1932
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:45,280
buck board which i never heard that word

1933
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:46,960
she goes let's go out for lunch come on

1934
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,560
ollie so they drive out to the

1935
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:50,159
countryside and they're riding along and

1936
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,199
she says oh look olly somebody has

1937
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,040
shorn shaved

1938
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,440
all the wool off those sheep over there

1939
01:12:02,310 --> 01:11:59,760
and wendell says

1940
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:02,320
no my dear the most that we can say is

1941
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:04,960
somehow the wool has been removed from

1942
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:07,920
the side of the sheep that we can see

1943
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,400
and danny goes okay now the fact is that

1944
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:12,960
almost anybody in their right mind

1945
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,080
knows that those sheep have been shorn

1946
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:17,920
on both sides okay

1947
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:20,640
so that so that type of anal analysis

1948
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,040
while it may serve certain purposes it

1949
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:25,280
doesn't really convey the truth and what

1950
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,280
i'm saying is that if you've got a

1951
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:30,080
crashed saucer at roswell

1952
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,760
where you can read the telegram that's

1953
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,000
in the hands of general raymie which we

1954
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,400
have done which says bring the disk and

1955
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:39,120
bodies to right field and peter jennings

1956
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:41,840
said that on abc news back in 1972 or

1957
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,199
whenever

1958
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,960
i'm pretty sure it wasn't 1972 because

1959
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,679
that analysis wasn't done too much later

1960
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,199
by david rudiak

1961
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:51,040
danny says it seems to me that people

1962
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,400
that are involved in officially

1963
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,560
investigating this should be all over

1964
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:56,320
that like white rice

1965
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:57,760
and that somebody should go over to the

1966
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:00,239
geological space intelligence center and

1967
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get the information about roswell

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i asked linda thompson if you're

1969
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:08,000
listening to this about that mike do you

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01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,120
think roswell is there anything

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01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,640
information you know about

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you know

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roswell information being at the

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geological space intelligence center she

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01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:18,080
said no i asked two other sources and

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01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,520
they said no so either linda and all of

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01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,040
the sources

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are three total are wrong

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or

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you know lou didn't jump in here but i

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mean lou's not going to say well well

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danny no the roswell stuff is located at

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x y and z so lou can't say anything but

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i don't have any information that the

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01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,679
roswell information

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is at the geological space intelligence

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center

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maybe danny has inside information that

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01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,120
nobody else has

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because one of my sources was very very

1991
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:50,880
very very good and

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should know that information

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and danny says once you've got the fact

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01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:58,000
that we've got a vehicle that is

1995
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,159
technologically vastly beyond anything

1996
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,120
we know about anything about with dead

1997
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,080
bodies in it that are clearly not human

1998
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:08,640
it seems to me that that story should be

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01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,159
told to the american people

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and um of course

2001
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:17,120
danny is right

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i think that lou agrees with that

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just give us the basics

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01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:25,840
and if you don't know anymore you know

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01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:28,159
tell us that

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01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,480
you know i'm sure the media it would ign

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01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,719
obviously it would ignite a firestorm

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01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,080
with the media

2009
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,159
that i don't think would ever end that

2010
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:38,480
would propel us into a new wave of media

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coverage and hopefully

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01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,800
worldwide and investigative reporting

2013
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:44,560
efforts that really

2014
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:47,520
has only been done by a few reporters

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01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,800
um and i do link to a peter jennings

2016
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,040
seeing is believing documentary which is

2017
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:55,440
good and they have a decent ep episode

2018
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,159
a decent segment on on roswell but i

2019
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:00,400
don't think the raimi memo and the work

2020
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:03,440
by david rudiak is included in that so

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01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:09,430
and dolan just goes off about a little

2022
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:10,560
bit

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01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,280
and i just want to answer uh note that

2024
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:14,800
dolan

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01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,560
says i think

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01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:20,640
marshall had his hand up

2027
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,840
you know he's being so nice to marshall

2028
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:25,360
summers and seems sheen's like you know

2029
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,800
we'll get to richard and then we'll get

2030
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:28,000
to marshall

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01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,870
because i'm glad you like the estimate

2032
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:35,199
of the situation but it has to be said

2033
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:36,080
you know

2034
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:38,080
we can talk about david rudy x analysis

2035
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,920
of the remy remo

2036
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:41,280
remy memo

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01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,080
which is very close you can almost read

2038
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:46,080
the words he goes i just want to add

2039
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,120
this because you mentioned this before

2040
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,600
the rainy romo and

2041
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,000
the reamy memo and the estimate of the

2042
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:56,080
situation dolan goes

2043
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,199
both of those are decent cases

2044
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:01,040
but they're not a slam dunk neither of

2045
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:02,880
them so in terms of the estimate there

2046
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:05,520
it could very well have been destroyed

2047
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:07,600
this was the statement

2048
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,440
they might may not have a copy of it it

2049
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,239
may not exist it probably does exist but

2050
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:13,920
even i who believe in it i can't say

2051
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,400
that i know for a fact it existed

2052
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:19,440
rupault said dewey fornay said it that's

2053
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:21,199
probably good enough for me but it's

2054
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:22,960
still not proof so we just have to say

2055
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:23,760
that

2056
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,040
and it was a it was never a policy

2057
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,199
either because that sign team was

2058
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,199
scattered to the winds after they handed

2059
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,440
that report to vandenberg so they all

2060
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,239
got split up so that never became air

2061
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:38,480
force official policy anyway and i have

2062
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,840
a really good link

2063
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,960
uh

2064
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:42,960
to an article on the estimate of the

2065
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:45,199
situation yeah it wasn't so it was an

2066
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:47,440
official policy so i think i think danny

2067
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,360
sheehan made just a little too much too

2068
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:51,760
much about the estimate of the situation

2069
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:53,040
i mean yeah it's important you know

2070
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:54,480
that's the conclusion that some folks

2071
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:55,440
came to

2072
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:57,360
extraterrestrial but

2073
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,239
it's not the be-all end-all document

2074
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:02,239
and then and then richard mentions the

2075
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:05,840
the rudiak uh memo the analysis analysis

2076
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,239
he did amazing analysis where it seems

2077
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,360
to say victims of the crash

2078
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,679
on the raimi memo you know what victims

2079
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,880
would there be if it was a weather

2080
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,880
balloon

2081
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:18,400
it's so close

2082
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,080
but it's just beyond our ability to

2083
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,640
confirm 100 and there's been debate

2084
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,400
over that for decades and i think most

2085
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:25,840
people when they look at it look at it

2086
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:28,000
they think rudiak is right but

2087
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,679
still there are some naysayers out there

2088
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,600
and that's the problem so i mean ralph's

2089
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,920
point is very well taken

2090
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:35,679
like we want to work with absolutely

2091
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,159
confirmed unarguable data and all i was

2092
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,239
saying when i get into the history and i

2093
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,480
don't want to belabor this is there

2094
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:44,320
actually is very good confirmed

2095
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:47,600
historical data and analysis

2096
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:48,480
and

2097
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:50,239
the reason it's important is because i

2098
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,840
mentioned the cover up

2099
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,520
and the other reason is that nowadays we

2100
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,960
have all these people talking talking

2101
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,800
about how well maybe the tic tac is a

2102
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:58,640
black budget project

2103
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:00,719
but then richard goes to a sighting that

2104
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:03,280
ronald reagan had in 74

2105
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,880
and

2106
01:18:08,070 --> 01:18:06,719
it was written in a book written about

2107
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:08,080
in a book by wall street journal

2108
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,120
journalist

2109
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:12,239
named norman miller

2110
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,159
and reagan's pilot a guy named bill

2111
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:16,560
painter confirmed this uh it came out in

2112
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:19,679
the late 80s reagan was into this he saw

2113
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:22,719
this zigzag zigzagging object and says

2114
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:25,840
to the pilot hey mr painter let's go

2115
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:27,040
after it

2116
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:29,360
and they're in a little cessna citation

2117
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:30,719
and they tried to go after it and this

2118
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:32,960
object was white slightly elongated and

2119
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:35,199
it just moved horizontally and then shot

2120
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:37,280
straight up and bill painter the pilot

2121
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:39,840
said that was like a hot rod an airplane

2122
01:18:44,709 --> 01:18:42,320
can accelerate but not like this thing

2123
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,719
and reagan said what the hell was that

2124
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:47,040
nancy it looked like an extraterrestrial

2125
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,760
craft and no reagan did not say that but

2126
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:52,159
i like doing my reagan impersonation so

2127
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:53,840
dolan's like that's a good case you know

2128
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,040
you have a future president of the

2129
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,040
united states seeing a possible tic-tac

2130
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:59,440
ufo hell of a case but no one ever seems

2131
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,040
to know about it

2132
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:02,719
okay now i'm about to run out of battery

2133
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:06,480
so i will pick this up in part two

2134
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:07,840
and

2135
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once again

2136
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if you support

2137
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,400
this if you like it

2138
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,080
or not whatever

2139
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,480
that's my

2140
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,910
my paypal

2141
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:26,790
my

2142
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patreon and last but not least

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the new guy on the block